Okay, maybe I'm inviting a flame war, but the question is worth asking. Is Sir Sean Connery's version of James Bond 007 really the best? Or is it because he was the "first" Bond.
The thing is, he wasn't. We all know the old Trivial Pursuit chestnut that Barry Nelson played "Jimmy" Bond for US Television in the 1950s, and that Bob Holness gave us a P (and a PK) on radio. Ian Fleming stated that the Bond in his head looked completely different to Connery, and the Bond of the novels is as far removed from the movies as Basil Rathbone's Sherlock Holmes is from Jeremy Brett's.
Personally, I think it's all down to who was playing the role when you first got "into" the franchise. My "Doctor Who" has always been Jon Pertwee, but most people's favourite in the past was always Tom Baker (disproving first is best, otherwise everybody would be saying "Ah, but you can't compare the new bloke with Bill Hartnell!"
I'm a Moore Bond fan. I always have been. My first encounter with Bond was the hot summer of 1973, when as a ten-year-old I went to the pictures three times to see the jaw-dropping stunts of "Live And Let Die". Every other year as they came out, I went to see the next Bond film starring Roger Moore and I loved the action and the spectacle, the beautiful women and of course, our suave and sophisticated hero wise-cracking his way through the action.
I'd seen Roger Moore on telly most of my childhood, in shows like The Saint and The Persuaders!, so he was a familiar face in among all the mayhem. It took until the ITV network started screening the older Bonds in the mid 1970s for me to catch up with the delights of Dr No, From Russia With Love, Goldfinger et al. I enjoyed them - I enjoyed them a lot - but I didn't enjoy them as much as the Moore Bonds. They missed a certain something, a certain glint in the eye or tongue in the cheek that the Moore Bonds had.
Later, when Roger retired (one film too late - he should have quit after Octopussy), the fun was still there even with the more hard-nosed Timothy Dalton. Timbo's Bond was more of a deadly assassin than Roger's, but his adventures still had a lot of style and fun about them - even Licence To Kill, which I think is wrongly accused of being too violent. It stretches the envelope of what a Bond adventure is by having him waging a vendetta against the baddies, and has a very prosaic set of villains in Sanchez and his men, but the film is executed with great elan.
I always felt bad that Pierce Brosnan had missed out on playing the role because of his Remington Steele contract, so I was delighted when he finally got the role in 1995 with Goldeneye. (Similarly, Roger had missed out on playing Bond in 1962 being under contract to play The Saint and in 1969). Pierce's four outings as 007 are terrific fun, and not a quarter as bad as many so-called Bond fans make out. The only mistake his final outing made was to include a very dodgy CGI stunt which should have been ditched at the planning stage.
As for Daniel Craig? This jury's still out. Casino Royale is a fantastic action picture, but is it a Bond movie? I'll tell you when the second half - Quantum Of Solace - comes out with hopefully all the traditional Bond elements reinstated.
Which brings me back to Sir Sean and his outings as the world's most famous secret agent. Is he overrated? Maybe, maybe not. His portrayal of Bond is certainly iconic and sets the bar for the actors to follow him. The first three movies are absolute gems, as is his last official outing Diamonds are Forever which is the closest to the Moore style of Bond movie. There are, however, two movies which suffer in pacing - Thunderball with its interminable underwater sequences, and You Only Live Twice, which you can tell Connery is tiring of as it progresses. The less said about Never Say Never Again the better.
For me, Roger Moore batted a sound 6/7 Bonds he made, Tim Dalton did a great job of his two, as did Pierce Brosnan with his four. Even George Lazenby did great on his single entry (and I wish he'd have done more so we could have seen him develop as an actor). Sean Connery, on the other hand made three perfect Bond films and three duds in my opinion, and I feel much of his cinematic kudos is built on that slightly shaky reputation.
I'm not sure that there's been a bad Bond so far. Connery was really just playing Connery, but a much younger and fitter Connery than the one we now recognise and love. The two films you mention as being overly bad (You Only Live Twice and Thunderball) are actually my favourites of all.
I always thought Moore's Bond was a bit too light-hearted but that may well just be a sign of those times, so the change to Dalton was a welcome one for me. Things improved immensely when Brosnan finally got his chance, I always thought he was a combination of the best things about both Connery and Moore.
Was impressed by Daniel Craig's debut, although I'm in two minds about Casino Royale as a whole.
I'd agree, there hasn't been a bad Bond yet. Thunderball and You Only Live Twice are my least favourite Bond films, but I still enjoy them and they're on my Bond shelf along with the other pictures. They'll probably be the last movies to be bought as Blus but I'll almost certainly get them eventually.
I also agree that Connery has always played Connery - I said something to that end in the Bizarro Casting blog. Nothing wrong with that, of course as Rog has always played Rog in the movies.
The Rog Bonds are very definitely light-hearted, and that has always appealed to me more than the modern penchant for "dark and gritty" (don't get me started). I think they work well as an introduction to action movies before getting stuck into the grislier stuff.
The thing is the Bond films were the first blockbuster action pictures, and they were aimed at a family audience. It's only been in the last twenty years that cinematic tastes have shifted to a more violent style of action movie, so the Bond movies are a definite document of their times.
Maybe I'm getting set in my ways, but I find movies and television produced no later than the mid-1980s more to my taste than after that date. I hope it's not old age creeping up on me.
I recall Chewie jumping down my throat about movie genres when I complained that a lot of modern action pictures cross genres into the realms of horror movies. I still think that genre labels are terribly important for making judgements about the content of movies and that filmmakers are doing their audience a disservice by making movies that don't adhere to our expectations. The Bonds have always delivered what it says on the can - two hours of bloody good entertainment - and I'd hate to see them wreck a perfect formula for the sake of trendiness.
yes it is.
lazenby was stilted and boring
Moore was cheesy
Dalton tried too hard to be an action hero
Brosnan was just a bit too smooth
and as for mr blue eyes... Bond is not blonde...if they had dyed his hair black I would have said he had it as his performance is great... but it just doesn't work.
When we all think of Bond we will think of Connery that is the mark of great acting.
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When we all think of Bond we will think of Connery that is the mark of great acting.
Great acting? I'm not sure about that. Connery is loaded with charisma and that's how he took the role for his own, but I don't think he's turned in as good an actual acting performance as any of the actors who've followed him.
Now I've seen Casino Royale Part Two (aka Quantum of Solace), I'm warming to Dan Craig's portrayal - even if I do still call him "Mr Pouty" on occasion. He's definitely one of the better actors in the role and he can handle the action stuff very well. At the moment, I think where the franchise is falling down is trying to distance itself from what has made it a success in the past - the ensemble of M, Q and Moneypenny, the Gunbarrel logo and the toys and gizmos. I hope that the next Bond film will be a self-contained story (not part of any story-arc), that it will step away from aping Bourne and back towards the classic Bonds (yes, something like Goldfinger) for a second reboot of the franchise.
The real question underlying all this is...is BOND over-rated? I'd have to say that I think on balance it is. I thought QOS was a plotless, mindless blunder-fest and having reluctantly conceded that Daniel Craig was 'ok' in Casino Royale (if a little smug without the humour that Moore or Connery brought to the role) then as far as I'm concerned, he blew it on QOS. Of course the effects were superb and as a Pinewood showcase it worked perfectly well.
For me, Roger Moore's knowing humour worked wonderfully. Some may call it 'cheesy' - I think it was knowingly so and therefore far more fun than the recent and terribly serious incarnation. I liked the Connery outings, and thought Brosnan was pretty good too. Dalton, on the other hand, was in my opinion the low spot this far.
Absolutely. Can't argue with a single word of that.
Although I'd hate to see the back of the Bond franchise, I think it is in serious need of being rested. "Casino of Solace" - like Tim Dalton's bespoke 007 outing Licence To Kill - is a fine action thriller in the thud-and-blunder tradition, but is it a BOND movie? I've always thought the Bonds operated in their own little universe a bit like Toontown - where the hero and his favourite drink can be known by every bartender on the planet, where a beautiful woman never curls her lip at him and growls "in your dreams...", and where no baddie ever recognises him in spite of never ever using any form of disguise.
When you stick 007 in the real world, you realise what a completely stupid premise the whole thing is, and IMHO that's what makes the whole Dan Craig reboot such a huge mistake. I'd like to love the reboot like the fanboys, but if I'm honest, I don't.
Bond was a document of his time. He couldn't have had any other adventures than the ones he had in the 1960s to the turn of the Millennium, but today's world and today's taste in heroes just doesn't match our Jimbo.
I've always said I thought the franchise needs to be split up into two or three properties. The traditional 007 spoofed by Austin Powers and loathed by today's fanboys needs to be rested until that semi-camp style comes back into vogue. If they make any Bond movies, they should now remake the Fleming canon but as period-pieces (like ITV's Poirot or Jeeves and Wooster) - relatively low budgets, but anally faithful to Fleming's fourteen texts. If they absolutely must make modern spy adventures, then they should retire Bond himself and introduce a new character who will take over his number.
Maybe it's time for Barbara Broccoli and Michael G Wilson to step aside as producers of the Bond movies and give somebody else a go.
And there goes my chance of writing a Bond script....
It really depends on what your idea of a ‘Bond movie’ is and who, therefore, James Bond should be. In the books, he is a hard drinking and violent misogynist, who drives an inter-war Bentley, doesn’t have many ‘gadgets’ and is a chain-smoking and gambling ‘club man’. He was a product of his time (i.e. early to mid fifties) and you certainly couldn’t make a contemporary movie with the same character today.
Each actor has brought something new to the character, and obviously Sean Connery established the movie template against which all subsequent incarnations have been judged. To many, he is the definitive Bond but it really doesn’t matter – Craig’s is the closest to Fleming’s creation in terms of character, but the Bourne films changed what audiences expect from an action/espionage movie. If you made a film similar to Moonraker with a similar Bond, cinema-goers would think it was more Austin Powers than 007!
Each Bond and Bond film reflects the society of the time and, in the paranoia and uncertainty of the post-9/11 world and the War on Terror, Daniel Craig’s thuggish hitman is what you get.
I’m no fan and don’t think I’ve even seen all the films nor read a Bond book – most of this information is second hand with the stuff about the novels from my Dad who has read them all. I don’t care what the Bond is like as long as it’s a good film – the early one are, OHMSS is the most complete, the early Brosnan ones were good but the last ones he made were embarrassing. I thought Casino Royale was excellent but Quantum of Solace, with its stupid name and horrible theme tune, was just an average dumb action movie. I hope the next one’s better. Maybe making them as period pieces set in the 1950s is the way to go.